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From Paul Tipler Date Wednesday February 1, 2017
Terry my name is Paul Tipler and I reside in good old Q L D where we ride 52 + weeks of the year. I read your article on the club race bike and I am curious , it seems that you are attacking Daryl in a not to subtle manner, reading your article it appears there would be too many chiefs and not enough Indians, and before you printed the article was this issue discussed at a club meeting with all committee members present because I found no evidence that it was and from my understanding off club bi laws, this should be the case, so every complaint can be sorted out and the club members get a complete and accurate report. It would appear to me that this action was not taken by you as I have not received any email from you to the contrary. I also noted your previous letter, before Christmas I think it was, about Daryl which I thought should been discussed at a proper club meeting not printed in your magazine in the manner that it was. I have had experience in such matters in a water skiing club and have dealt with these matters firstly in house, to sort out problems with the least amount of friction within the club with the best out come for all concerned, with at all times the club at the forefront. I realise I am in QLD and a long way from you and I do not know any of the members including you or Daryl or any other committee member but I feel an injustice has been done to Daryl. I do believe the matter of the race bike could have been handled a lot better. I just thought I would let you know you my thoughts on this matter. Regards; Paul Tipler
Response from Terry Gliddon
As the Website Manager and Newsletter Editor it is my job to inform the club members via the club's website or the newsletter everything I feel the club members should be made aware of. In late November after the AGM Daryl decided to stop answering his phone for whatever reason and I was at the time trying to get the December newsletter out before Christmas. As part of his job Daryl was to write a President's Message for the newsletter as well as forward to me the notes he had taken at the AGM so a report could be written, at that time Daryl was also responsible for getting the newsletters printed by a friend of his and I would print the address labels and post them to him so he could fold and put the postal newsletters in envelopes, address and post them to those members who receive their newsletters by post. Because of his frustrating lack of communication all this was left for me to do so in the newsletter in place of the presidents message I wrote of my frustration in the Editors Note stating that Daryl was not pulling his weight. This I imagine raised a few eyebrows. At about the same time the racer received a brand new clutch donated by Geoff's XS just prior to being taken to Tasmania by Ivan Hoey and Mark Peatman to compete in the Australian Road Race Titles and for Stacey Heaney to ride. A series of events I wont go into here as it has been reported elsewhere and alluded to by you in your email. Subsequently it was discovered that the newly donated clutch was not installed by Daryl into the racer but somehow went missing and it was later admitted to have been installed in one of Daryl's customers bikes. This lead to calls by some club members who are aware of this for Daryl to be removed as club President amid accusations of theft and lying. I prefer to think it was a mistake unfortunately it is not one Daryl wants to admit to. This whole sorry saga may eventually lead to his removal as President by the clubs committee. Most of this you will read in the next newsletter #135 including an email from Daryl on this matter and will leave it up to the members to form their own opinions on this. The club committee has been fully aware of these events as they approve all newsletters before they are printed.
From Mike Murphy Date Tuesday January 31,2017 Hi All, Response from Terry Gliddon Sorry you are leaving us Mike. I
would like to take this opportunity to
thank you for the work you did setting
up our Facebook page and wish all the
best in any future endeavours including
your AC Cobra, your CNC mill and
hopefully your XS650.
From: Rodney Blacklock Date Tuesday January 31, 2017, 9am
to Daryl Hutcheon, About 10 years ago I got my first 650 (which came in pieces) and I new nothing about them at all. My mate told me of the club so I joined up in the hope of finding people with the parts or knowledge I needed to get it on the road. Along the way I have learned some things about 650's and about the club, but still have a lot to learn. So I just want to say that it is really appreciated the effort all the office bearers make in keeping the club running and improving. Sometimes I need to speak to these people and the fact they give there time freely for nothing more than the love of the club is very cool indeed. I would say most people I have contacted have been great but a special thanks to Ivan and yourself. Rodney Blacklock
From: Tony Kilmurray Date Friday, December 30, 2016, 6:05PM G'day Terry first off Merry Xmas and a safe new year for you and your family I would also like to thank you for your commitment to the XS club I enjoy the newsletters. I have spent the day in my shed with a few frosties and John Willamson totally re-wiring my new project it aint a Honda. I will send you some photos and a story on my other two bikes for the newsletter it will be by mail as I am not computer savvy. Cheers mate thanks again from the northern out post in N.S.W. best regards Tony Kilmurray Reply: Thanks Tony, It's always nice to receive good feedback, Merry Christmas to you and yours and I look forward to seeing something on your projects for the newsletter. Cheers mate Terry From: Mick
Hyde Hi
Terry, Mick Hyde (’75 XS650B) Reply
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From: Andrew Owens
<springwillow@internode.on.net> Date: Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 9:20 PM Subject: RE: Club registration enquiry To: John Chambers <secretary@xs650.org.au> Cc: Herbert Conlon <herbertconlon@gmail.com> Hi Herb and John, I’m not sure who best to put this question to, but as you guys are across membership and historic rego issues, I thought I’d just mention it to both of you. I am also a member of the VJMC, as I have a few other old Japanese bikes, and recently they sent out membership renewal emails with the following paragraph: “PLEASE BE AWARE THAT WHILE RIDING ON HISTORIC PLATES YOU MUST CARRY A CURRENT MEMBERSHIP CARD OR YOU COULD BE CHARGED WITH RIDING AN UNREGISTERED MACHINE AS BEING FINANCIAL IS MANDATORY UNDER THE STATE LAWS – IF YOU ARE NOT FINANCIAL YOUR HISTORIC REGISTRATION IS NULL AND VOID NO MATTER WHAT THE REGISTRATION EXPIRY DATE IS !!!!!!” I’ve looked through the RMS info on the scheme, and I haven’t found anything to suggest this is correct, other than reference to “must be a member of a registered club”, so I guess this could be construed as being at the point of registration (of which I have to present a club membership card and doco completed by Herb) or at the point where a police officer may ask me for proof of membership. I guess I am asking if you are aware of the above statements validity, and 2nd, if the above is true, should all club membership cards have expiry dates? I imagine that this would be a PITA to administer, as new cards would need to be issued each year, or what else might the police accept as proof of membership if it is an issue? Just bringing it up if it could be an issue, and if any clarification is needed. For me, all I can do is keep my XS Club card with my log book, and for what its worth, my VJMC card as well, as it does actually have an expiry date, but probably no help as the historic rego has nothing to do with them. The only other thought that I have on the matter is that it may simply be a bit of leverage to have VJMC members renew, as I’m sure that there has been a rush of people to join clubs simply to get access to cheap rego, which is not good for any of us. Lastly, it was great to catch up with you at the AGM John, and I look forward to meeting you Herb at some stage in the near future, Regards Andrew
Owens Andrew, all members of our club, their membership dues are to be renewed by 30 June each year. 1. Unless you have paid in advance for following years. or 2. It is mandatory for all members of the "Yamaha XS650 Club of Australia Inc" to be paid up in advance of the expiry date of their club permit. Therefore the member is always financial. The members in Victoria pay their years membership at the time of renewing their permit. Thus putting their financial status to June 30th of the following year of the expiry date of permit. or 3. Carrying a Current membership card is not required in Victoria and as far as I aware is not required in NSW. This is the point of attaching our Club stamp to your renewal form and signing the documentation on the behalf of the Club. Ensuring that you and the Club have met the requirements of the RTA of the States. or 4. I am allowed to ride any club permitted bike as long as I have a valid motorcycle licence, have completed the appropriate information into the current log book associated with the bike that I am riding. This could be a friends bike and therefore the club scrutineer should have already checked that the person permitting the bike is financial to at least the expiry date of the States permit. Regards John Chambers
Received from Daryl Davis 14/7/16 Hi Terry Daryl Davis Received from Dave Rayner 29/4/2016 Herb & Terry,
I understand Herb not wanting to scrutineer cars
as there is a lot on them you can’t see. Bikes,
by comparison, are very simple. I would feel the
same way if it were me. As for there being no
benefit in having a car in the club, that was the
case under the old system but with the 60 day log
book, a person can drive their non-650 vehicle as
they wish. In other words, as long as their
vehicle (and it can be a semi-trailer) is 30 or
over and they only need to drive it 60 days per
year, they can use the log book for, dare I say
it, cheap rego. If they abide by the rules and get
a pink slip, I don’t see the problem with it.
Just my thoughts. Dave. Received from Herb Conlon 28/4/2016 Gentlemen , as I have advised
I will not nor have I ever scrutinised
"cars" they have always required pink
slips from a recognised inspector. There are some
whispers that I want to stand down from my
position this is incorrect. Received from Brian Greenless 22/4/2016 Hi Terry, Here is some sad news about one of the XS club
members. I had introduced myself to
Stephen just before the race he was injured in. We
only had a short talk but it was obvious he
was enjoying racing his XS. He gave me his
business card so that we could keep in touch,
regretfully this will not now eventuate. Regards
Brian Greenlees (No 451) STEPHEN HARRIS - #125 It
is with great sadness that I have to inform you
all that we have lost Register member
Stephen Harris as a result of medical issues
that arose post a race incident at the Taupo
Autumn Classic meeting on Sunday. He died on
Monday night in Waikato Hospital with his family
alongside him. Steve
had just returned to racing with us this season,
and by any measure, was very enthusiastic
and supportive of the Register and its Racing
activities. He was a sponsor of the last Puke
Festival and was in the process of extending
his support to other of our events. While,
at his own request, there will be no public
funeral, his family has informed us that there
will be a celebration of his life at the
Stillwater Boat Club, Duck Creek Road, Stillwater,
East Coast Bays at 2pm on this coming SUNDAY,
the 24th April. Those
that knew Steve, and anyone else who would like to
attend are most welcome. Ken
McGeady Received from Brian Greenless 6/11/15 Hi
Terry, I am in
the planning and parts acquisition process for
building a 277 rephased long rod 750cc race
motor for post classic sidecar. Sent from Terry Gliddon on 7/11/15 Hi Brian, We got it wrong in the first instance but corrected our mistake and got it right in the end. Because we altered the layout of the crank and used two right side crank ends on either end of the crank we had to make alterations to the bearing mounts to use the different bearing used on the new left hand end crank flywheel. We did this to make the crankshaft as symmetrical as possible but paired the wrong flywheels together when static balancing each half of the crank. What we should have done is static balance each like pair then press the crank together in its final layout and dynamically balance it. None of this is relevant to you as you are not lightening your flywheels or altering the crank layout, just rephasing it. You can go through the process of balancing the crank but those who have done this before say there was no real need as the standard crank when rephased and made into a 750cc requires almost no balancing as it is only a few grams out. I do not know this from my own experience but it is what I have been told. I did it because I wanted to
but I would suggest if you do it go to a
professional and have it done. I believe is can be
costly though. 
Flywheels back to back showing the
amount of metal removed in the
lightening process. About .3 of a
kilogram removed from each flywheel
Crank assembled with weights for dynamic
balancing.
Notice the ends are the same. Left one modified for the different bearing and seal. 
Crank completed and welded.
Received from Brian Greenless on 7/11/15 Hi Terry,
Received from Gerard Loughran (seller) 26/10/15 Hi there,
Received from Daryl Hutcheon on 19/9/15 I would
like to welcome our latest Club Member from New
Zealand, Stephen Harris. Steve is also a racer and
is building a XS650 to of course race.
From: Guy Stanford I’ve not heard of
any recent bookings.
The only place you’ll
find a helmet compliant with the standard is
there, on the shelf, brand new. The
Australian visor standard does not require the
visor to carry any compliance marks at all. There is no law
saying you can’t use a dark visor on your
helmet. Commonsense says
only use a dark visor in bright daylight. Like
sunglasses. Clear as mud. Guy Stanford
From: andrew@choppersaustralia.com Hey folks, The low rider of a later date
refined the superglide considerably and
became a highly popular machine, but the super
glide was still the first of the ‘factory
customs’. Andrew (Prof) Offe From: Terry Gliddon Thanks Andrew, Cheers mate Final reply from Andrew Offe G’day Terry, Andrew (Prof)
Received from Daryl Hutcheon Friday 22/5/15 Hi Terry,
Terry Gliddon's response Hey Daz I've got a set of XS1 crankcases and a couple of XS1 cranks and I think I have an XS1 gearbox (a bit rusty). If we use your OU72 head and Shell cam it might even be fast if we spend an extra couple of grand on the good bits needed to go racing.
Received from Andrew Parcell 28/4/15 via email Good afternoon I'm not sure if
this the right place to share my concerns, I've
only been a member for under a year and I really
can't see the point of renewing my membership. I
live in Brisbane and there is nothing and no help
for members if they live outside NSW or VIC . I
have asked a few members about any Brisbane
mechanics or where to get my engine looked at as
it hasn't run in 5 years the only answer I get is
to send it down south along with 6 THOUSAND
dollars to get it done! WTF do they gold plate
them? Hi ratio gears $800 re phased crank $200 put
on a 750 kit $800 . you can add another $1200 on
incidentals i.e. polishing valve and head work and
that is still only $3000. They want Reply from Terry Gliddon sent via email on 29/4/15 Andrew, I am sorry you feel it is the club's responsibility for the cost of parts and labour and the lack of mechanics in Brisbane, most of our club members do their own work on their bikes and are happy to find out where to buy the parts and find technical information by looking on our website. You mentioned high ratio primary drive gears as an example of the high cost of parts but if you look at the cost of these in 2001 when they were available exclusively from Halco Tuning in England they cost £285 then so on today's exchange rate they would cost $518 + postage and packaging and the product you can buy today is better than the original and at $700 as it now comes with a needle bearing instead if a bronze bush so they have effectively barely gone up in price in fourteen years, name another product where this is true. You also mentioned 750cc big bore kits for $776 again this price includes brand new cast big fin barrels as well as sleeves and forged pistons, rings and gaskets, I think this is good value considering it is posted here in Australia from Geoff's XS saving you $$$ on postage from the USA. The price of parts is only half the cost in a rebuild as labour adds a considerable amount but that's the same for any bike not just the XS650. If you were rebuilding a CB750 you would be buying two more pistons and sleeves to build a big bore motor not to mention valves if you were doing the head up as well. Some of the prices you quote are excessive as they are obviously for heavily modified performance engines and not just a stock rebuild. Remember there isn't a single XS650 that is newer than 30 years old so most mechanics that worked on them when they were new have probably all retired by now. If you want to own and operate a classic bike then you will need to learn how to work on it yourself or be prepared to pay the going rate for expert mechanical help. What is a reasonable hourly rate to work on a classic bike? I don't know because I do my own work, am I a mechanic? no just a bloke who loves XS650's. Do I think the club is worth being a member of? I must as I am due to receive my twenty year badge next year. I hope you change your mind about us Andrew but if you don't we can always help you sell your bike on our website. Andrew's reply received on 29/4/15 via email Terry its not the price of the
parts they are cheap I have a t140 Triumph and a
FXR Harley so I know the cost of things its the
lack of anything that the club does in QLD no
rides no get togethers just a bunch of individuals
on a mailing list it should be the xs650
club of NSW or am I missing some thing? I have
spoken to a few disgruntled members in QLD who say
to join the vintage Japanese club as they have
rides in Brisbane. What does the club do out side
of NSW & VIC please let me know. I'm not
trying to to be a smart arse but I'm finding it
hard to see the point in keeping up a membership
in something that in QLD is non existent.
Can you please pass my concerns to the president. Terry Gliddon's reply sent 29/4/15 via email Andrew, Nth QLD Steve
Bragger 0414 709
951 sbragger@bigpond.net.au If you want to organise a regular
ride in Brisbane then I suggest you talk to Tony
Gray and see if there are enough local members
that would like to attend a ride and get the ball
rolling. John Chamber's response on 29/4/15 Andrew, I was some what confused
by your previous letter. I am glad you responded
to Terry’s response as it cleared up some things
for me. Darrell Playle also responded to Andrew on 1/5/15 Andrew, Footnote:- Andrew was also phoned by Daryl Hutcheon and is looking forward to organising an event in Brisbane so watch for it in the events calendar. Tony Gray responded to Andrew's email on 9/5/15 Hi Andrew,
Received from Graeme Maidment 15/4/15 via email Hope somebody can help me with the
identification of this engine number, I found what
I was told was a 1973 TX 650 - However the frame
number is 447-128784 The frame number is possibly around XS-B (us)
1974 / 1975 (447 series) 447-100101 to 128650 ???
and the Engine no is S650 -217952 possibly
TX 650 (us) (code 366) S650-200101 to 217100. OK my problem is I want to rebuild to engine -
Not sure what pistons/rings etc I can use or if I
can drop a new set of barrels pistons / rings etc
on (using maybe 447 series engines parts) I was looking at pistons and rings on Mikes XS
site however 3rd oversize piston and ring set may
only be for 256 engines. So not sure what parts I
can order or which way to go to rework it. So if anybody give me advice that would be much
appreciated. Mouse Engineering. Contact. Graeme Maidment email graeme@mouseengineering.com.au Response from Terry Gliddon From
the engine number and frame number you have
supplied here your assumptions are correct
according to the information I have i.e. The S650 motor would be a 256 motor with long rods (136mm) and have pistons with 22mm gudgeon pins. If you have serviceable con rods with good bearings and little end surface is ok (i.e. copper coating intact) you can source 256 pistons from Geoff's XS. Geoff's XS 256 pistons use narrower 447 type rings. You can also buy new 256 con rods from Geoff's if you want to restore your motor to original specs. It
is also possible to
convert internals to 447 rods and pistons (20mm
pins) by using a serviceable 447 crank and rods
but be aware that the sprocket on the cam will
need to be changed to a 447 type (36T) to match
the new crankshaft sprocket (18T) 256 motors use
17T/34T cam sprockets and are not compatible with
447 18T/36T cam sprockets. Cam
chain would also need to be changed as well as the
cam chain tensioner from sprocket type to slipper
type. The cam chain link length is different so
the correct chain must be used i.e. later type.
(1974-1984) Final comment from Graeme Maidment
Enquiry from Daryl Davis via email 10/4/15 Hi Responded to on 10/4/15 From Terry Gliddon to Daryl Davis Hi Daz, The final word from Daryl Thank you
Terry. I sent my application to join the club.
Received 8/3/15 From Kelvin Clark - some pics of my bike. These have now been transferred to the members bikes section.
Received 11/12/14 Hi Terry,
The poster arrived the other day in good order. It
looks great and has pride of place on the workshop
wall. Thanks for your effort, I missed the boat
last time you offered these and wanted to make
sure I got one this time round. regards, Brian Greenless
Received 4/12/14 From: Bruce Campbell To: delegates Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 12:34 PM Subject: [Delegates] Helmets in Victoria Be aware that Victoria Police appear to have a current campaign to charge people who either have cameras on their helmets or are using dark visors.Four riders have recently been charged for "not wearing approved helmet" for using dark visors. The common thread appears to be that the riders were pulled over, told they had done nothing wrong then charged with the above offence. The dark visor issue is particularly aggravating. There is a standard for visors and it details how much light a visor must allow through. It appears to be based on European conditions meaning that the allowable tint is extremely slight - much lower than that allowed for tints on car windows. However, it also appears that it is quite legal to sell visors that do not comply with the Standard. That is, there is little defence to these charges. The Australian Motor Cycle Council (AMC) is also aware of outstanding court cases involving similar charges for use of cameras on helmets. The Police are interpreting Vic RR 270 as meaning AS 1698 is an in-service requirement, and not just as a requirement for sale of the helmet. The road rule has been so poorly constructed that this interpretation is, according to high level legal advice, valid. Under this interpretation ANY attachment to a helmet could make it illegal. It also means that riders should ensure that the booklet for use and care of the helmet must be attached at all times (requirement for sale of a helmet under the standard). There are also other ramifications. Yeah, this is stupid! No helmet is legal for sale in Victoria (don't
comply with Cwlth mandatory standard). The matter is being taken up with VicRoads by AMC. It also supplies us with ammunition to take to the Standards Australia forum in Feb 2015. This has got totally out of hand! Bruce Campbell
Received 3/12/14 New Motorcycling Australia newsletter - http://us6.campaign-archive2.com/?u=05b2881ba56be689a04d41b58&id=01159170f5
Received 28/10/2014 Members may be
interested… Regards,
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